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Pip wrote:
Changing the future in the future:

In the early 90's for some reason I recalled an incident in the 80's 
when I awoke in the middle of the night in a panic and said to myself 
"she's gonna die!" and passed out.  I ran this incident and discovered 
the following.  After I passed out I awoke to find myself hovering in 
the morning air above a building in some distant city watching the 
entrance door.  There was some invisible friendly presence with me, some 
sort of guide, who instructed me to keep watching and left.  I was 
feeling peaceful and in a good mood.  I watched for hours as cars and 
people came and went.  When I asked what this was about the guide just 
said to keep watching and it would become clear.  I waited all day.  
Evening came and many cars pulled into the small parking lot and others 
parked on the street.  Then I recognized a lady getting out of a white 
car and my alertness tensed up - I felt I had to be ready for 
something.   There was some event going on and a few hours later it was 
over and people were coming out.  I hadn't sensed any problem yet.  As 
she walked out in the street to get in her car a big pickup was heading 
right for her.  The guy was drunk and I could see he was going to hit 
her.  I was immediately next to him in the truck and grabbed the 
steering wheel and was able to turn it to the right.  I was invisible to 
the driver who was resisting me but I could exert physical force.  I 
also spiritually pushed on the tires.  I was able to get the truck to 
crash into the car instead of the lady.  She was unhurt.  Her car was 
damaged though, and someone gave her a ride home.  The police hauled the 
drunk guy off.  I didn't remember any of this the next day but do I 
recall that one day around this time period, as I was leaving for an 
appointment one evening,  I stopped outside my bedroom, looked at my bed 
and felt like there was something I had to do this very night - 
something urgent that I was forgetting - then a thought came to me, a 
very strong thought,  "I already took care of it."  I felt satisfied.  I 
left.

I could not reach the lady in question and I have not verified any of 
the 'real world' aspects of this story but I have good reason to believe 
it happened in the real world and not just in my head.   If nothing else 
however, it is an interesting idea: to go into the future and alter the 
course of events before they happen.   But again, there is no future or 
past other than as possibilities for what we can experience right now.  
This life is a sub-dream of a much bigger dream.  Of course, knowing the 
rules would be a big help.

Pip


Pip wrote:

>>Seeing the future to alter the future in the present:
>
>>I have on many occasions seen the future.  This is a common phenomenon.  
>>Once in the early 80's I was walking to my car at 3 am after work at a 
>>restaurant/bar down town in a big city.  As I approached my car a dark 
>>vision of something flashed across my field of vision from right to left 
>>and was so vivid I stopped short and took a step back.  I decided this 
>>was a warning and I had better driver slowly, so I did.  Out of the 
>>parking lot I turned left and then left again at the next corner where 
>>the light was green.  I was going at a noticeably slower speed than 
>>normal.  As I approached the next intersection the traffic light was 
>>green so I kept going.  When I was about twenty feet from the 
>>intersection a speeding car came out of nowhere running the red light 
>>and crossing my path from right to left.  I knew immediately that this 
>>was the meaning of my vision.  I can't know for certain that the car 
>>would have hit me if I had not had the vision, but the timing seemed 
>>about right.  This kind of thing has happened more than once.  Also I 
>>have heard several almost identical car stories from others.  
>>Information, or perception,  can apparently time travel.
>
>>Changing the past to alter the present:
>
>>When I was somewhere between 11 and 13 my friend Jeff and I were hiding 
>>from each other in a field of hay bales.  The bales were stacked high 
>>and the way they were set created a huge maze.  As I was looking for 
>>Jeff I tried to see where he was psychically.  I knew I could do this 
>>sometimes.  Instead, to my shock, I saw the future with me lying on my 
>>bedroom floor dead in a puddle of blood.   This made me reluctant to be 
>>psychic as you can imagine.  Later when I was 14 I was building a home 
>>made rocket in my bedroom and it exploded in my hands.  The explosion 
>>blew me off the chair and a piece of metal hit me in the forhead above 
>>my left eye.  I fell on the floor in a puddle of blood.  I didn't die.  
>>I saw myself stacking towels.  Something happened in the moment of the 
>>explosion.  I went back in time. 
>
>>Three months before the rocket accident, maybe more,  I was assigned to 
>>be towel monitor in gym class, which meant for a week I and another boy 
>>got to or had to, I'm not sure which,  miss gym and fold towels in the 
>>utility room next to the showers.   One day as we were stacking towels I 
>>started goofing off acting silly and jumping around as if some whacky 
>>mood had just taken me over.  And BOOM, I hit my head on a metal 
>>shelf.   Hard.  I was stunned and nauseous and went to the nurses 
>>office.  I went home for the day.  I had quite a bump.  It was just 
>>above my left eye.  As the weeks and months went by this area became 
>>noticeably thick and hard as if the bone had actually beefed up.  You 
>>couldn't tell by looking at it but I could feel it with my hand, and was 
>>often curious about it.  Back to the rocket fiasco   ...
>
>>I got up and ran to get help.  A piece of metal was embedded in my 
>>forehead.  I felt it with my hand while I held my head over the kitchen 
>>sink and my mother called the ambulance.  The doctor who removed it said 
>>that if it had gone a fraction of an inch deeper I would have died.  I 
>>remember he had to use all his strength to pull it out.  I ran this 
>>incident with John Galusha in 1991.  The time travel thing hadn't 
>>occurred to me before this.  I always thought it was a lucky coincidence 
>>that the metal struck me in the exact place where the bone was thicker.  
>>When I ran it by him he just smiled and said  "good work!"
>
>>Pip
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>
>>Pip wrote:
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>>>homer at lightlink.com wrote:
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>>>  TIME TRAVEl
>>>
>>>  The first question one would have to ask is, does the past exist in
>>>>the same sense that the present exists, in other words is the past it
>>>>there to be 'gone back to' in the first place.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>In what sense does the present exist?  As a dream exists only as an 
>>>experience, so does the present.   The "present" is as much imagination 
>>>as is the past and future.
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>>
>>>  If so is the 3 year old Homer in Maine back in 1954 another
>>>>conscious unit playing the same role as I played, or is it the same me
>>>>as I am now, only I don't know it.  (I don't buy this last.)
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>You are imagining the past not as a frozen moment but as an "in 
>>>progress" movie.  We imagine the past in segments or scenes.  Being the 
>>>child is just another place your consciousness can go to.  All the 
>>>frames of this movie are laid out on the table from beginning to end.   
>>>Standing above it all you can choose to visit any frame just like you do 
>>>with your DVDs.  But we are mostly glued to the video screen without a 
>>>remote!  
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>>  Second is, if the past exists relative to us, then does the future
>>>>exist in the same sense, as we are merely ITS past?
>>>
>>>  If the future already exists, then the game is a completely written
>>>>loop with no hope of change.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>It doesn't matter.  I thinks it's kind of like the movie Inception as we 
>>>are living a dream within a dream.  On another level we can change 
>>>anything in this dream PPF (past present and future).  When this story 
>>>is done we can go back and start over and have a different ending or 
>>>beginning, change critical decisions etc.  Or move on to another story 
>>>and another game, in another galaxy.  (theoretically, when we regain our 
>>>ability to do so)
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>>  Again the question comes up, who is that conscious unit who is
>>>>being Homer in 2050?
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>It's you - there is no past - it'a always only now.  It's all a question 
>>>of where the attention goes.  You can't go there now for at least 2 
>>>reasons - you are involved in a shared reality agreement and you are 
>>>severly limited by your programming, the reactive bank, whatever you 
>>>call it.  However it is possible to regain the ability to "return" in 
>>>memory and experience an actual replay of past events in IMAX 3D.    
>>>(possible)
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>>  Anyhow if we accept that the past and the future all exist in the
>>>>same sense as the present, and 'we' in the present are merely a wave of
>>>>beings filling roles in 2010 that are moving forwards in time to fill
>>>>future roles, that are already filled by those ahead of us, it is quite
>>>>possible that time travel can exist.
>>>
>>>  But since the whole loop is prewritten, there is no hope of
>>>>changing anything that has already happened.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>If you have all the frames of a movie laid out in front of you and you 
>>>want to change something, you may have to change something before that 
>>>so as to be consistent and will certainly have to change some things 
>>>after that to preserve the illusion of cause and effect among other 
>>>things.  Consider the WHOLE LOOP as a dynamic work in progress, and the 
>>>loop can span eons but may just span a lifetime.
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>>>  That means that if my present self, when I was back in 1954, didn't
>>>>run into a future me, then I can't as a future me go back to 1954 and
>>>>meet me.
>>>
>>>  But if I did run into a future me back in 1954, then I MUST go back
>>>>into the past to meet me.
>>>
>>>  Thus in this theory there can be causal loops from future to the
>>>>past, but they must be consistent and not causes time quakes or self
>>>>denying feed back loops.  A common theme is that knowledge of how time
>>>>travel works is itself injected into the past from the future.
>>>
>>>  Most meatballs consider that only the present actually exists with
>>>>conscious units in it, thus the past isn't there to go visit.  except as
>>>>empty memories sucked out of the akashic records.
>>>
>>>  Thus the future does not exist either until we in the present get
>>>>up there.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>Meatballs engage in PU thinking - that the only reality is the Physical 
>>>Universe governed by the known laws of mechanics.  However, we know that 
>>>we are dreaming.  Is time travel possible in a dream?  What would happen 
>>>if you went into the past and prevented your own birth in a night 
>>>dream?  Maybe unicorns would hatch out of jelly beans, who knows?  It 
>>>all depends on the rules.  If you meet your future self tomorrow what 
>>>does that mean?  It means you drempt you met your future self.  Later 
>>>you may (or not) dream you went back and talked to your past self.  
>>>Dreams do not have to be consistent or even make sense.  But in this 
>>>game there are strict rules enforcing consistency and continuity - but 
>>>only for effect - to maintain the illusion of life as we know it.   
>>>Still, it's just all experience and it's all happening now.  Have a 
>>>jelly bean.
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>>
>>   
>>
>>>  Some will claim that relativity will allow us to travel into the
>>>>future, but this is not what is intended.  Special rel allows us to make
>>>>time move faster for everyone else in the sense of aging, but at the end
>>>>of the trip everyone is now in the future, never to return to the past.
>>>
>>>  Same thing for surface of black holes, as one crosses or gets near
>>>>the horizon, the whole remaining time of the universe passes by while
>>>>only minutes pass by for us.
>>>
>>>  That just allows us to get to the future faster, not travel around
>>>>on the time line at will.
>>>
>>>  Traveling into the future by speeding up our own death is not what
>>>>we intended, neither is speeding up everyone else's death but not ours.
>>>
>>>  The meatball theory allows that a wave of beings travel through it
>>>>multiple times, each time changing it as conscious beings make
>>>>different decisions based on quantum chance.
>>>
>>>  Like an arcade game that is 'pre written' but allows forking of
>>>>decisions so that each time it is played, different things happen.
>>>
>>>  People who like to believe in MTA, or LTA, multiple times around,
>>>>or last time around, tend to come up with incidents very simlar
>>>>to this life and this life's past AND future, because the universe
>>>>doesn't change that much from time around to time around, but it
>>>>does change.
>>>
>>>  Thus knowing the approximate future this time around results from knowing the past last time
>>>>around.
>>>
>>>  Homer
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>There is no "physical" past or future.  All physical explanations of 
>>>time and space  have no actual bearing on reality.  Nor do new age 
>>>quantum mechanical validations of spirituality.   Its all PU thinking.  
>>>Scientists who speculate on time travel are just trying to invent a way 
>>>it can be possible while preserving our precious notions of cause and 
>>>effect and avoiding paradoxical absudities.  One theory has the universe 
>>>splitting into infinite timelines at decision points or paradoxical 
>>>junctures.   Give me a break!  This universe is a dream set up by 
>>>consciousness to experience life.  Yet the world IS set up such that we 
>>>have access to the past and the future in real and meaningful ways.  
>>>People DO see the future in dreams and visions   - it happens every 
>>>day.  That this happens is UNDENIABLE.   What does it mean?  And when we 
>>>see the future we can change it or let it happen.  Was it the future?  
>>>In our movie, yes; in reality it was just a meaningful experience.   In 
>>>truth, we, on a spiritual level, can affect the past and the future in 
>>>powerful ways - we just have to get back stage.   I will give some  
>>>examples from my archives in my next post.      to be continued  .........
>>
>>>Pip
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>>>>In article <mailman.10.1281655492.2644.clear-l at mailman.lightlink.comyou wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     
>>>
>>>>>This article in Science News: 
>>>>>http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/61301/title/Taming_time_travel
>>>>>describes the Prime Directive with regard to time travel but assumes the 
>>>>>"rules" are determined by physical laws.
>>>>
>>>>>EXCERPT:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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