Homer Wilson Smith
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Fri Nov 8 15:22:06 EST 2019
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HELL FOREVER AND DEATH FOREVER
This is a difficult posting as it was written early, quickly,
and with little review and basically its a mess.
The differences between forever in time and forever above
time have been discussed extensively in TRIAD and later postings,
so won't be repeated here.
In this posting the word 'forever' means 'forever in time',
not the eternal 'foreverness' of eternality above space and time.
>> Something forever is hell forever.
JEANETTE ROGERS (HERE-I-YAM at email.msn.com) wrote:
>Something forever is just something forever. The "hell" part is
Adore claims that being stuck with ANYTHING forever in time is a
hell to the thetan because it violates his sovereignty on the matter, to
be able to have and not have at will, and be able to return to the
static and leave or enter any game at will.
Thus one finds that heaven forever is offered to the thetan as a
trap to stick him in a detested hell forever. Self determined pleasure
is a good thing, enforced pleasure FOREVER is not.
Thus Adore says,
"Eternal On is Hell Forever
Eternal Off is Death Forever."
((At the time Adore was writtein 1985, the clear distinction
between eternal forevers, and temporal forevers had not been made.
Since being OFF forever in time and eternally off above time
are not much different from each other, things become more confused.
Eternality allows for true OFFness above space and time
but also allows for true ONness in space and time for a while.
Below that a being can get stuck in unconsciousness which
is an apparent but faux OFFness IN time.
Once he fails to see that IN TIME is always only for a while,
he starts to conceive of being stuck in time FOREVER, and this
ultimately becomes a hell forever IN TIME. The hell is broken by
auditing out the FOREVER IN TIME, and restoring awareness and choice
about ETERNAL FOREVER above time.
We now call these ETERNAL FOREVER of which there really is only
one, and TEMPORAL FOREVERS of which there are an infinite number of
different ones, all of which are false apparencies casted by doubt of
the finiteness of any time while.
Thus we have eternality above time, faux immortality in time,
and faux mortality in time.))
Adore stipulates that perhaps the reason thetans finally choose the
belief in mortality is to escape a detested immortality.
That's a detested forever IN TIME.
To run out the mortality then, the belief in forever OFF in time,
one would run out the detested immortality or the forever ON in time
that came before.
>> ENFORCED Nothing forever is death forever.
>Nothing forever is a static. No?
No, enforced nothing forever (death in time) is only a hideous
mimickry of the true eternal unmanifestation, sleep, or 'nothingness' of
HAVING to be nothing forever in time without the option to manifest
and have something, is death forever.
Thus thetans who get a glimpse of static, anhiliation etc, try to
hold on hard to being SOMETHING, because they don't want to be nothing
FOREVER. It's a mistaken perception that the anhiliation is forever,
but its an easy mistake to make.
>This is an accurate enough description of aberration and "getting what one
>resists," but always remember we are dealing with thetans, thetans CAN
>CHANGE THEIR MINDS and needn't always be subservient to the mechanics of
Of course, there ARE no actual forevers, but the warp and woof of
aberration and games are put together with the idea that there are.
"Nothing is (eternally) forever except people and peace." - Adore
By people, Adore means static thetans.
Adore claims that time is made in finite WHILES, complete with
beginning and end, they can be as long as the thetan wants, but they are
always finite. Thus no created things can be forever, because all
created things are created inside a WHILE, and thus must end when the
Thus by auditing the forever (in time) component, be it good or
bad, one will find the core issues that keep the aberration in place.
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